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This account was created by Alyson Jackson from recorded interviews with Howard Bell in July and August 2001.

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Early CHildhood in a Car-Free Knaresborough

Howard Bell was born in Knaresborough in 1907 - to be exact, he was born in the room above the corner doorway of the building which is now Boots the Chemist on the north-east corner of the Market Place. Along with most births at that time his was attended by the midwife - very few people went to hospital to give birth, though, as Howard says, "... of course, the doctor would attend as well, but he generally arrived too late, when it was all over".

His earliest memory is very vivid - that of a cannon being fired inside the Castle Yard, on the coronation of King George the Fifth in 1910.

"They had a Russian cannon that was captured at Sebastopol in the Crimean War, and it was where the War Memorial is now. They were ramming grass sods down the barrel and it was firing them over the mill - they all landed on top of the mill roof! So they were charging half a crown for someone to fire the cannon. A line of gunpowder went to a hole in the cannon and I can just remember crying my head off. My father wanted me to fire a cannon so's I should remember it all my life and it banged and it frightened me so much I was crying."

Despite his father's entreaties, Howard could not be persuaded to fire the cannon. The cannon is no longer there, moved perhaps after the First World War when the War Memorial was built.

Howard's early schooling was in Castle Yard School. The building housed the infants on the ground floor and the Girls Junior School was on the first floor above. The Infants was run by two Miss Southwells, two daughters of someone who had been in the diplomatic service in India. They were very good linguists, especially in French, which Howard studied with them later on for matriculation which required one foreign language. Although he had one lesson a week of French at school, Howard also studied one night a week with the Miss Southwells.

At four years old Howard began at the Castle Yard School and spent two years there before going on to the Boys Junior School. Howard still has school work from his earliest school days:

"... we came across some letters I'd written while I was in the primary school. My first writing, what is now called joined-together writing; and one of them is written "Dear Mother, I am writing one of my first letters to you" and then my eldest daughter took it and said "I'll save that"."

Howard vividly remembers being invited back to an Irish school friend's home for a party only to discover that it was, in fact, a wake, complete with the deceased old lady propped up on a chair in the corner with a clay pipe in her mouth - two days dead! He didn't stay long! There were a lot of Irish labourers who made their homes in Briggate in the 1920s.

As now, there were sports in the schools - mostly football and cricket for the boys - as "rugby wasn't popular in this area". Howard took part in all of the sports but particularly enjoyed swimming. There being no pool in Knaresborough he had to make his way to Starbeck - most children had a bicycle and would cycle to and from the baths. He had swimming lessons there with the school but on most Saturday mornings he would go with his friends:

"We used to go mostly on Saturday mornings, we used to walk to Starbeck. My pocket money, when I first went to Castle Yard School, was a ha'penny on a Wednesday and a ha'penny on a Saturday, and the girls that worked for my father were told not to give me any money for doing an errand, and one girl got the sack, because she gave me a penny; mind you, she'd perhaps been asking for it in other ways."

It cost one (old) penny to go to the baths:

"... but my father used to give me, if I was going swimming, I used to get a penny for the baths and a penny to buy myself a teacake. There was a little café just by the station, the last shop on the right hand side when you reach the station, towards the station, it was a confectioners. We used to buy a penny teacake and then walk home but if we had funds we had a buttered teacake which was three ha'pence."

An extra halfpenny for butter!

The school day lasted from 9 in the morning until noon, then began again at 1.30 p.m. to end at 4 p.m. Most children went home for lunch, unless they had cycled in from surrounding farms or villages, in which case they would bring a packed lunch. The Grammar School, now King James's, which Howard went to in 1919, took in some boarders:

"... they had some boarders, only about a dozen, not more. The headmaster's house was in the back of the school, a part of the first building, and there was a dormitory above that and that's where the boarders were."

Children at school were taught all of the usual basic subjects - reading, writing, arithmetic - but in 1916 the Grammar School was renamed "Knaresborough Rural Secondary School" and the school was obliged to teach some rural subjects such as poultry and bee-keeping, joinery, gardening, etc. The school had its own little farm, roughly where the tennis courts are now, with a greenhouse and the animals.

Conkers and marbles were played at break time. One game of marbles involved setting up a piece of wood with different sized arches in it through which the children tried to shoot their marbles - the piece of wood belonged to one of the children:

" You sort of bought your marbles from him, like you would at a coconut shy, so much for half a dozen marbles, perhaps a ha'penny for half a dozen marbles, and then he paid out (marbles) when you got some points. He'd got his stock of marbles by the ones that bounced. Generally, you used to buy a tub of marbles, some were the size of my thumbnail, some were that big (smaller) and the value went up according to the size. The big one was worth five small ones."

Howard's family are long-standing Knaresborough folk - his grandfather had a shoe shop where the library now is (in both the 1834 and 1841 Pigot's Commercial Directories William Bell is listed as a Boot and Shoe Maker in Jockey Lane), and his father was a draper in the town. He started as an apprentice to a local draper in the Market Place:

"It was called Hebblethwaites. He started as an apprentice there, and then went to London to learn the trade. Then took the draper's shop on the corner, my grandfather bought it and my father'd to come back from London to run it. He settled down, and then he bought the old public house, where the Spar shop is now, the Post Office, it was only two windows on the front and two on the side, and he extended it."

Valuation of the Fixtures etc. in the shop in Market Place Knaresbro in the County of York from Mr Charles Thomson to Mr Thomas Seymour of York the landlord of the said House & Shop.

Inventory of the same

Door Bell. 87ft shelving   rail with 17 Hooks.
32ft 6in shelving. 4 supports to the same. 19ft Glass Cupboard
105ft shelving. 14ft 6 shelving. 2 Glass Bells
19ft 6in Glass Windows in 3 Pieces. 15ft Wood Boards.
Counter with drawers. 3 Rollers. 3 Window Blinds.
Tin shade to Gas. Pin Rail 5 Hooks. Wood Floor in
Brewhouse. 6 supports to same. 7ft shelf. Step Ladder.
Gas Fittings in House & Shop. Iron sun Blind & cover.
Window Bottom.

Valued by me at the sum of six pounds
fourteen shillings and eleven pence
This 21st day of July 1886

£6-14-11

George Hewson
Licensed Valuer
High Street
Knaresbro
inventory

Howard's father met his future wife in London, but she settled down in Knaresborough - as well as Howard they had a daughter, who also still lives in Knaresborough.

THE FIRST WORLD WAR

Howard was seven when the First World War broke out - he remembers the period well:

"Oh yes, I've some good memories of the war. Because I was of that age when I started to do things. And of course, we had troops stationed in Knaresborough, billeted all over the place, in private houses, schools, in what was the workhouse. For training. We had a cycle corps - the East Lincolnshire Cycle Corps - I think most of the regiments trained away from home.

And we had a cavalry corps stationed in Knaresborough, yes, and as boys we used to wait until they had been for a ride, they went for a long distance ride every day. And we'd dash home from school about four o' clock and get a quick cup of tea and go out to where the stables were. There were some stables, Pickles has a factory, at the back of the Borough Bailiff Hotel there's a long shed, that was occupied by cavalry. My father got friendly with the colonel. We used to ride one horse, and take another on a lead, because there were no motor cars in those days. Ride up the high street, down Park Row, to the Stock Well, water the horses, and then round Stockwell Road and ride straight back. We used to ride one and lead another, about six of us did that."

Several of the fathers of Howard's friends lost their lives in the war. Howard's father was invalided out:

"Yes, well he was [involved] at the beginning then he was invalided out. He had stones in the bladder, now, of course, they just destroy them, never even start to let them form, but in those days it was an operation and it was a case of operating, and he had a scar right down there (indicates length of stomach area) and he was invalided out. Then he was in what was called the Local Volunteer Corps. It was like the Home Guard in the Second World War - what they used to call the "Look, Duck and Vanish"!"

Howard remembers an aeroplane crash in Knaresborough during the war:

"I can remember an aeroplane coming down in the Nidd. I don't know whether it was a Gypsy Moth but it was a single engine biplane came down in what is now the cricket field, he ran out of petrol. He went to fill up with petrol, and when he took off, he sort of paced it out by going diagonally across the field. He thought he could take off, and he set off, he had what they call a skid bar under the tail end of the plane, wheels at the front, and a skid bar at the back, and that caught a branch of the hedge and he went straight down, nose-dived straight down.

I can remember my father being on guard with his rifle and bayonet to see that nobody pinched anything from the aeroplane. In our house, I don't know where it got to, right up to the Second World War, hung up a blade of a propeller, made of wood, laminated. My dad got that and he was supposed to be guarding it! I can remember my father being on guard, of course all the local people lined up on the road to see if they could see this aeroplane, my dad's keeping them away!

I sneaked down with a flask full of tea and some sandwiches. I would be about ten years old then.

The pilot was killed and his wife came over and stayed at the Mother Shipton Hotel and used to walk up and down the banks of the river every night, because they hadn't found his body and then a week afterwards they found it, tangled up in some of the roots of a tree, he'd been washed out of it (the aeroplane). And I can remember looking for the body."

Exciting times for a young boy! At the end of the War Knaresborough celebrated - one rather disastrous event stuck in Howard's mind:

"... they had a firework display in the Castle, and all the fireworks were put out on trestle tables outside the old courthouse - in front of the courthouse and the bowling green there's a dip - this was before the bowling green was made and it was more level then, and some silly ass put a lighted taper down on this trestle table and so the fireworks went off and the rockets were laid on one trestle table horizontally and they all fired into the crowd - it's a wonder somebody wasn't badly hurt - but they all went up and in about five minutes it was all over!"

Howard remembers Knaresborough during the period of his childhood as a bustling market town, with people coming from as far afield as Pateley Bridge and Boroughbridge:

"Oh Knaresborough's altered a lot. It was a country market town, a proper market town. With a produce market on a Wednesday, and a cattle market on a Monday - you'd see them sell cattle in the High Street, before the present cattle market was built, they used to sell cows and sheep in the High Street, because they didn't have motor cars in those days. As boys at school we used to have to run home on a Wednesday which was the market in market square, the farmers' wives brought all their eggs and butter and that to sell in Butter Lane. They used to line up on both sides of Butter Lane with their baskets of eggs and butter and that. Before they erected a covered market in the centre of the ordinary market - like scaffolding with a canvas cover. And we used to have to run home, as fast as we could on a Wednesday and help the errand boys to take the parcels round to the various traps and horse traps. We knew whose trap was which, we knew those with six seats on either side, when the customer was finished we used to take it and put it on a seat, we knew where they came from, nothing was ever taken.

And on a Monday we used to dash home from school to take sheep or cattle to the farm, that the farmer had bought that day."

High Street on Market Day, circa 1910

High Street on Market Day, circa 1910

Howard's father's customers also came from the outlying villages - travelling in on horseback or horse-drawn carts and wagons:

"A lot of my father's customers used to come from Cattal, Green Hammerton. Nearly every shop had stabling behind the shop - where Boots have extended towards the Newsagents, that used to be Moss the Grocer's shop and they had stabling behind their shop. My father had stabling for six horses, with the traps as well (at their Public House)."

Often Howard would travel with the delivery man to the villages, one customer was particularly memorable:

"Before the First World War I used to go round every day with the man with the van (horse-drawn vans) somewhere. I used to go to a little cottage at Cattal village, and the driver would say "Go on, see if Mrs So-and-so's in" and I would go down the garden path and knock on the door. She'd come to the door, she always use to say "Nay lad, thas come at wrong day, I haven't baked today" and my face used to drop and then she'd say "Go int' the pantry, see what tha can find" and I would go into the pantry and there was always a currant cake on the shelf, and I used to cut myself a slice of cake, and pour myself a glass of milk, nearly always warm from the cow.

That went on for years, and even when I retired, the old lady would be in her nineties then, used to come in the shop, spoke in her language, really broad Yorkshire, and the girls used to laugh. I remember one day, there were two customers in the shop, real toffee-nosed, one of the girls was having difficulty with them, she couldn't show them what they wanted, they were being really awkward, and this old lady came in, we always used to give her a chair in front of the counter, so the girls always knew when she came in there was a chair for her. She sat down, and I walked across and was talking to her. She said "Ey, any more o' that and I'll smack thee backside for tha, and it won't be fust time, either". Well these two customers, the toffee-nosed type, looked around, they couldn't understand it, but that was her language. And I was in my sixties then!

Oh, life was a lot different then. You were friendly with your customers, especially the country people."

High Street on Market Day, circa 1910

High Street on Market Day, circa 1910

THE STATUS

Life was a lot different for the working people too - a job for life was as much a rarity then as it is becoming now. Most manual workers were hired by the year at the annual hirings:

"Every year there was, the Status they called it - how it got that name I don't know. There was always a fair, it was stopped during the war, on top of the crag (above the House in the Rock). There was a fair - roundabouts and swings and that, they had a fairground there, for the Status it was for a fortnight, two Wednesdays in November. All the farm labourers would come into town with a year's wages. They only got so much a week pocket money, and they were hired for the year. And housemaids and chambermaids, they were all hired as well.

This happened every year, and the next year they had to go back. To the same people, maybe, hired them year after year.

... she (a maid) lived in the house, [in] all big houses there was a maid's staircase, very often a bathroom and toilet in that part of the house just for the maids. They were hired for a year, they got their keep and so much a week pocket money, plus all sorts of extras - they got all their clothing. That's what our men used to take around - the housemaids' aprons and fancy caps and things, and working clothes. And they were paid the rest of their wages for the year at Status time. Perhaps under £30 - on top of their keep. "

High Street Shop

Notice the gas lamps outside. Calling Card circa 1910

Working people came into town with a full year's wages:

"And that used to be marvellous business for the shopkeepers.

The vanman used to collect from all these people and my father very often used to help out. He told this story about coming to Cattal, as you go down towards the station, there's a long straight road before you get to Cattal village, and he was coming along there one night, he'd been helping the vanman, and he said to one vanman, "go on - I'll meet you back at Cattal station". He's carrying about a hundred pounds, which was a heck of a lot of money in those days. And he was walking along, and as he walked he heard footsteps, almost at the other side of the hedge, so he stopped, when he stopped, the footsteps stopped. So he walks a bit further, same again, footsteps, and when he stopped, footsteps stopped. So he got a stake out of the hedge bottom, was all ready to defend himself, if it was somebody after his money - and he would tell this story against himself - he realised it was a horse! The horse was keeping up with him, and when he stopped, the horse stopped. To hear him tell this story, totally against himself, because I can quite realise how scared he might be."

LAW AND ORDER

Knaresborough would have had its share of the criminal element and, although the Superintendent of Police for the whole of the Harrogate district actually lived at Yorke House, the job of keeping law and order in the town was left to the local policemen:

"... there was a sergeant, and about three policemen. And they all used to carry a cape, and when it was fine the cape was rolled up and it used to fasten with a buckle. And if we were doing anything wrong, like sliding down the backs of Castle Yard, and the policeman came and got anywhere near us, he'd clout us with his cape and if the buckle end caught you, you knew about it. But it never bothered us in any way. And if you went home and told your father he'd give you another one to go with it!

It was the same at school, I've had cane many a time - you could get caned for not paying attention! You were sent round, there was a little toy shop - you know the china shop at the top of Kirkgate - it used to be a little toy shop and she used to sell canes. You'd be given about thruppence, to go round to buy a cane for you to be caned with! And that hurt more than the cane!"

THE SCOUTS

At the end of the First World War Howard started at the Grammar School and became interested in Scouting:

"Before about six of us could join the Scouts, we weren't old enough, we used to go to a little stationer's shop and buy a penny paperback booklet, about six inches square, on scouting, on semaphore signalling and Morse and all sorts of things. And we used to meet in the Castle Yard, we used to meet where the War Memorial is now, and I remember my mother made us flags, they were fastened to a piece of wood, to do semaphore signalling with, one [boy] stood about where the War Memorial is and one where the Old Courthouse is."

When he was old enough, Howard joined the Scouts and began a lifelong association with the movement, which even enabled him to travel abroad:

"The Scout movement started a year before I was born actually. There was a scout troop in Knaresborough and the Scout Master had to do it and his two sons were Patrol Leaders in the Scouts and they kept it going throughout the War and then it was reformed in 1918, by a man who had been away, he was a captain.

I've been a scout all my life, I was Leader of the Knaresborough Scouts for about 2 or 3 year and I Scouted at Wesley's Chapel (in London). I made some good friends and had some good times. In 1919 I saw in the magazine The Scout, I was sat reading it over supper one night, and I just read "The Second City of London Sea Scouts are going to Holland on a fortnight's camp, such and such a date, and have a few vacancies, anybody who'd like to join write to such and such" and I'm a boy, like, 11 years old. And my father said, get a pen and ink - this was before fountain pens, a steel nib and a bottle of ink - I couldn't believe he was serious, he said "Write and ask how much it will be" etc. etc. So I wrote and posted it, we lived then where Boots shop is, and it was a fortnight to go to Holland, sailing from just outside Tower Bridge in London, it was a fortnight's camping with some Dutch Scouts - £10.

And because I was joining a party in London I got my return fare to London for 10 bob. And I can remember my father fastening a luggage label tied to a button on my shirt, and he gave the guard of the train half a crown or something to see me off at King's Cross. I was met at King's Cross by an uncle of mine, who lived in London, and he took me down to Victoria Embankment, and at that time Scott's ship, the Discovery, was anchored off the Thames, as a sea scout training ship, and I slept on the ship overnight in a hammock. And the first thing when the London boys, the Sea Scouts, said "Oh you landlubber get up that rigging" and they made me climb right up the rigging, and the last bit was a Jacob's Ladder, a rope ladder, and it led to a barrel, lashed to the mast at the top, and a hole in the bottom. Up this ladder, through the hole in the bottom, and that was the lookout. I was alright going up but when I looked down!

We camped in Holland with fifty Dutch boys and fifty Austrian and Hungarian refugee boys. And we were told afterwards that it had been organised by what eventually became The League of Nations just to see how the boys could get on together. We got on alright, of course we couldn't speak each other's language but we played football, we went out together - we got on alright.

All of the parents in Knaresborough, the parents of all my friends, said "Fancy letting your son travel all that way on his own with people you don't know, you've never met" Of course you wouldn't do nowadays. I was the only boy at the Grammar School who had been abroad at that time. And after that, I went every year for four years."

Howard travelled not only to Holland but also to Italy and Belgium. On one of these occasions, Howard met an acquaintance a long way from home:

"It's surprising how many times I've met people abroad I've known. When I went to Belgium with the Scouts, about twelve years old, First Knaresborough Scouts, we camped on the sand dunes of the River Schelde at Antwerp - I think it's all oil refineries and storage tanks there now. And we used to go across to the town on a ferry every day and one morning a man walked across and he said to me "You boys English are you?" I said "Yes" - he said "From Knaresborough?" [and] I said "Yes". He said "Do you know Billy Bell?" [and] I said "I ought to do, he's my father" and he'd worked for my father before the 14-18 war managing a shop in Starbeck. And he'd been in the Army during the 14-18 war and married a Belgian girl and stayed over there. 40 or 50 of us boys got onto this ferry - a coincidence that he should pick me."

He has fond memories of special occasions such as being part of a Guard of Honour at the christening of the present Lord Harewood:

"Knaresborough Scouts, First Knaresborough Scouts just after the war - they formed a Guard of Honour along with the Wetherby Scouts, at the christening of the present Lord Harewood, at Goldsborough, and all the Royal family came, King George the Fifth, Queen Mary, Duke of York, Prince Albert, all the Royal family except the one who was later on the Duke of Windsor - he couldn't get on with Lord Harewood so he didn't come. We formed a Guard of Honour from the church to the War Memorial, the Knaresborough Scouts on the side where the church is and the Wetherby Scouts on the other side. King George the Fifth stopped - our scout master had served in the Boer War - he was in the army - and this would be about 1922-23 something like that - he (the king) stopped as close to me as I am to you (about 2 feet) talking to the scout master - I was next to him but one - I wasn't half proud - about 12 years old."

High Street Shop

The christening of George Lascelles - return from Goldsborough church.
Queen Mary leads the procession with Scouts lining the road.
From a postcard kindly lent by Pat Wood

At that time the Scouts met in Scriven:

"... they met in what was the WI hut down in Scriven - that was actually presented to the Scouts. And at that time I was totally involved with the First Knaresborough Scouts at Scriven. And the headmaster at school asked me if I would leave and help to start a Scouts group in the new school. I was in the top form then and I said I would do on condition that I could talk to my old scout master and if he agreed to losing me I'd help start a new scout group."

LONDON APPRENTICESHIP

On leaving school, Howard decided to go into his father's business, but on his own terms:

"... but I only went into my father's business on one condition - he'd been down to London to learn the trade. A lot of my friends were sons of businessmen in Knaresborough and went into business in the family business, but never went anywhere for experience. In other words, learnt the trade from their fathers. I realised that my father had done a good thing by getting some London training because it's a lot different. So I decided, if I was going into the business I was going to learn the trade away. So I went into the wholesale drapery business. There were about 3 or 4 big firms who had their own hostel and employed youngsters from provincial shops. The shop couldn't give them a senior position because they had no experience. And these firms in London, there were about five in the City of London who had a hostel and were only too glad to get someone from the provinces to work in the warehouses - the hostel my firm had was in Charterhouse Square, very near Smithfield meat market and the warehouse was in Cheapside. Wherever you came from, whether you were an errand boy, apprentice or son of a businessman or possibly the son of a director of a big firm, you all started at the bottom.

We were two levels below ground, in an old crypt of a church, and the bottom one was [where we] started unpacking packing cases coming in, and the next level was packing cases to go out, and the next one above that was sorting out the goods for the various departments. And when you got to a department you were on the answering desk, it was maybe a year before you were allowed to serve a customer.

And after you started serving customers you could branch two ways, either to buyer with a department or go out travelling as a commercial traveller. And my firm had 72 travellers over the British Isles. Each regular traveller had a range of goods in a brougham about the size of an ambulance, with a driver and samples from twenty odd departments. A Special Traveller would go out with samples from about three departments, but a bigger range of samples, went out and travelled by train with these baskets - no travelling around by car, it was donkey work. And what I did was I went on seven different travellers rounds for a week each with a bigger range from those departments, I used to do that four times a year - so I did seven weeks away from London, four times a year. I covered the Border counties and it was jolly good experience, because you were going in to shops and meeting proprietors or buyers in departments of big stores - you were seeing small shops and big shops and big stores - all good experience. And then after five years I could see that my father was getting older. "

While in London Howard jointly founded a Scout Group with a friend at Wesley's Chapel, and then he took over the Rover Scouts - the senior Scouts.

"The boys all came from Hoxton area, in London, very poor families and we decided we would take them to camp for a weekend, so we gave them a list of what they should find. And two or three of the boys came to us and said "We can't come through because we can't fill this list up" I said "Why - what are you short of?" so one boy said "Well if I take, if I bring a blanket, what are my three brothers going to do." Four of them sleeping in a bed with one blanket! So I told St John's [Ambulance] who went out to staff theatres - they were all St John's men at theatres in those days - there was always a St John's team at football matches. Now, when they were short of staff for anything like that they used to let us know and we'd find somebody to take their place because all my Rover Scouts group had passed the St John's Ambulance badge. So we used to learn elementary First Aid. So I went to the St John's Ambulance [and said] it was impossible to take the boys to camp because of the blankets. He said "Don't worry about that". He loaned us 50 blankets and I said "I'll have them laundered and looked after" "Don't you bother - bring them back just as how you've finished with them, we'll send them with all our others to our laundry"

and so they were able to take the boys camping.

He fondly remembers a jamboree at Arrow Park, Birkenhead, and parading at the Cenotaph:

"I was in the jamboree at Birkenhead on the 25th anniversary of scouting; and one thing in that was outstanding - every scout throughout the world subscribed the equivalent of a penny towards a gift for Lord Baden-Powell and they asked Lady Baden-Powell "what do you want?". Well, of course, he always wore shorts, he'd been out in South Africa, fighting in the Boer War, and when we asked her she said "Well, the only thing I can think of, is a pair of braces", because he hadn't any! So when the presentation was made, the scout got up on the platform, and gave him a pair of braces, and hung them across and around his neck, like a medallion! So we did that, and also a very nice Rolls Royce car and a caravan! It was quite a joke.

And there are quite a few experiences like that I can remember when I was in the Rover Scouts. We used to parade at the Cenotaph with a service - a very short service - laid a wreath, on the Sunday after the 11th of November. Now various other organisations have followed suit - just the Jews would go on the following Saturday, because that's their Sabbath day. And we used to get somewhere like 3000 Rover Scouts, meeting on the Embankment marching up towards Whitehall, marching down Whitehall, past the Cenotaph, then back to the Embankment, 3000 Rover Scouts."

In London Howard worked with the first Blood Transfusion Service:

"We had a gentleman, Mr Oliver, come to see us, he was Secretary of the British Red Cross, for the whole of the Greater London area. And they were trying to get a blood transfusion service, and there were other organisations approached for volunteers that refused, and he started it from his own home, and he and his wife and two neighbours manned the telephone 24 hours of every day and he asked us if we could help. And we said well it was rather difficult during the day because of working but what will we do? Anyway we decided to help them - we'd set up a card index system (it's all done on computers now) but we set up a card index system giving the name, address, nearest telephone - because there wasn't everybody who had one - when they were available, what [blood] group they were - as much information as possible. My Rover Scout Group, along with Mr Oliver's neighbours that were running the job, helped to start it. So I was right at the beginning of the blood transfusion service. 1928, I think.

And the first year that we did, full year that we did, we had 350 or so transfusions. We had to do various hospitals, but in those days it went direct to the patient - it had to be a perfect match, I think there was only four groups in those days, so it would be one of those groups. And what happened was they'd go to the hospital, and it was taken from a vein in the arm and was going into a solution, a saline solution, with the nurse stirring it up, and it was either direct to the patient before the operation through the saline solution, during an operation and after an operation. And then the second year we did it we topped the thousand which was marvellous. Of course they do a thousand every day now."

Howard himself, gave blood:

"It was all voluntary. The only thing I got paid for was at St Bart's. A doctor wanted to show some trainee doctors how it was done and I went and he shoved a needle up one of these veins here (arm). What happened, I must have jerked and the needle came out - couldn't do anything about it - got blood on my suit and my shirt and waistcoat and my trousers so I had to send them to be cleaned and they paid ten shillings for my suit to be cleaned. That was the only remuneration I ever got!"

BUSINESS IN KNARESBOROUGH

Howard decided that it was time to return to Knaresborough to help his father, who became ill, but never really retired from the business:

"I came back from London in 1931, when I was 24. And as soon as I got back, my father, who hated book-keeping, absolutely detested it, the day I started he said "There's the books - they're all yours. There's two cheque books, one's my private account, one's a business account. I've arranged with the bank that you can sign them both. From now onward, they're yours to sign"!

I came back in the February, and he went in to hospital on the August Bank Holiday and he was in for quite a while so I was thrown in at the deep end then. But he'd never retire completely. We'd see him in the business every day for a week, and then we wouldn't see him for about a fortnight. And do you know what he'd done? He'd bought a house that was cheap. In the thirties, a lot of big houses in Harrogate were sold very, very cheap. And he'd buy one, he'd have the gas taken out and electricity put in, he'd have new fireplaces put in, get the decorators in - all these lads that were starting on their own, he employed them, just to give them a start. And so we wouldn't see him for a fortnight.

... soon as he'd finished off he'd sell and if he made fifty pounds profit he'd do well."

Howard founded a branch of Toc H in Knaresborough and remembers attending a wonderful meeting in the Albert Hall in London in 1933 - the 18th anniversary of the founding of Toc H. "Each branch had a banner - a marvellous sight!" and he also continued his involvement with the Scouts:

"Well, I was approached by Lady Evelyn Collins, used to live at Knaresborough House. She was Chairman of the Scout Committee in Knaresborough, and she approached me to see if I would act as Scout District Commissioner. Much as I wanted to [do it] I had to turn it down because I'd just formed Toc H and just got that going, and that was a service organisation, however, later on in life I became President of Knaresborough Scouts."

As a member of Toc H Howard visited the Knaresborough Hospital Tramps' Ward. On one occasion Howard spoke with a tramp who seemed very articulate and who claimed his brother was also a solicitor. Howard mentioned this to Willy Gill, a solicitor who was visiting with him, and they returned to Willy's offices (now Raworth's) to look up in his book for solicitors with the same name. They found one and called him to be told that the tramp was indeed his brother - he had lost thousands when the Kruger Match Company went bust and it seemed to have turned his mind - he had been missing for two months!

Howard's business was growing and during this period his father never quite left the business:

"When I came back I should say we had about 12 [staff]; we finished off, when the place went up in smoke, with 22. During that period he (Howard's father) was very busy, going to sales of property. You could buy a house in Harrogate for about £200-250 - it was ridiculous. He bought two in St George's Road, where you go up to the Ministry of Defence, a pair of houses: two reception rooms, kitchen twice the size of this (roughly 20 ft x 40ft), and six bedrooms each and he bought them for £500 for the two. So I took one and he took the other. Between us, as I mentioned before, he got young men who were just starting on their own. While he was doing that I was running the business "

As well as the Irish labourers, another group of Irish workers who settled in Knaresborough were the girls who came over from Belfast to teach the Knaresborough girls how to make shirts. There was a shirt factory in Knaresborough (now Niddal's) which had previously been a garage - Brown's "Harrogate Road Car Company" - which ran yellow coaches locally nick-named "yellow perils". At the time of the second world war it was a parachute factory set up by a Londoner bombed out of the East End.

Howard married in 1933 - his wife was originally from Wakefield:

"From Robin Hood, near Loftus. She was in what is now the National Health Service - she went to Chemists shops all over Yorkshire or West Yorkshire taking samples of medicines. Like an inspector really. She would go in, unbeknown to anybody, she would then show her badge, her identity, and ask for a sample of the medicine they prescribed themselves and then took them in for examination and analysing.

And she was a Licentiate of the Faculty of Insurance - that was almost like the National Insurance - and she was a bronze medallist with the highest number of marks in that year's exam.

Her father retired, he was in the colliery, an engineer, and he retired and bought a business in Knaresborough - bought a dairy, in the Market Square. She found it a bit awkward travelling to Wakefield and back - she packed it in and helped her father run the dairy - and that's where I met her. Married in Knaresborough, at the Methodist church."

THE SECOND WORLD WAR

At the end of the thirties it seemed obvious to many that war was on the horizon:

"I became an ARP warden in 1938 when it (ARP) first started. I had to have training, gas training, one night we had a gas demonstration van over, and people were going through this van and put on a gas mask and just lifted the edge of the mask a little to get a slight sniff of it (the gas). I had a pair of overalls on, like a boilersuit, and went home and, not thinking that the gas had impregnated the boiler suit and she (his wife) started crying her eyes out and I suddenly realised what it was so I had to make her run round the garden out the back to get it out of her system while I stripped off all my clothes outside and she went in to fetch me some clothes.

We went round the villages fitting gas masks all the children, men and women - they even had one for babies, which was almost - well you know the carry cots that you carry a baby in - like a crib - a solid base with sort of a cellophane cover over it so it would be canvas overall with a square where the baby could look out - it wasn't very - I don't think anybody ever used them because there wasn't any gas. We used to go round the villages and the way we found out whether we'd fitted it (the gas mask) right or not, we'd put something over the end and as soon as they said "I can't breathe, I can't breathe" we knew it fitted all right.

We had to check the blackout. We took it in turns to stand by during the day, and at night it worked out you would be on about once a week for one night to man one of the posts overnight, mostly be somebody's cellar underground. One post was opposite Boots, next to the Yorkshire Penny Bank there's a café - in their cellar down there, and we used to use that as a post. Another one was a great big house in Boroughbridge Road that had an underground cellar and we used to go there - had like canvas chairs and deckchairs to relax in but no beds or anything - you didn't get undressed, you were ready to go into action.

Quite a few people in Knaresborough had their own cellars so they went down into their own cellars. The house next door to me where Mr Prudames lives, the greengrocer, they had one in their garden - a proper dugout with a cover over it similar to an Anderson [shelter] - the cover only came to about so high (waist height). Matter of fact the cover at one time was covered with grass sods.

And we all took First Aid - doctors and medical people taught us bandaging and that, just normal first aid, elementary First Aid."

Howard recognised business opportunities:

"We knew that stuff would suddenly become scarce so we put in a contract for blacking out all Scotton Banks Hospital. We knew 12 months before then (outbreak of war) that there'd be a complete blackout, you see, and going back from the experience in the First World War he (his father) and I sorted out between us what we might want for the blacking out of Knaresborough and placed orders for what we wanted; and we actually had in stock something like two and a half thousand yards of Black Italian cloth. Now Black Italian is a sort of satin finish cloth that they used to use for the back of men's waistcoats, and it was ideal for blacking out windows. And we put in a contract for Scotton Banks Hospital. Anyway, when war started we had the material upstairs - other people couldn't put in for a contract because they hadn't the material. We didn't make the curtains, they did that in the sewing room of the hospital, we just supplied the material, about 2000 yards of Black Italian at half a crown a yard.

And they used to buy paper blinds, roller blinds, in those days, made of a dark green paper or similar green paper and we used to stock them, every two inches, from about 24 inch wide up to 5 feet wide and we bought these from a firm near Wakefield their brand name was "Japa" paper blinds. And we could see war coming. I got onto the firm and I said we wanted paper blinds so I said "Will you send me two rolls on the passenger train via Leeds up to Knaresborough and I'll collect it at Knaresborough" I saw this [man] about two months afterwards and he said "I went straight to my boss, I said to him "I've got a bloke on the phone, he wants a roll of 36 wide and [one of] 48 inches wide" and he said "there's about a mile on each roll and he wants them sent by passenger train" So his boss said "Look, if he wants them you sell him them, because" he said " it's better for us to sell a roll like that than little rolls" So they came by passenger train and as soon as war started we had this paper and we made a counter as wide as that wall (about 15 feet), about square, and what we did we used the width of the paper as the length and then cut widths (to fit windows) and we stayed after the shop had closed in the evening cutting up blinds for the next day. And I went down to Kitchen's saw mills, and they sold plaster latts, about inch wide latts, I said "How many plaster latts have you got" and there's a hundred to a bundle in 36 inch length and 48 inch length which was just what I wanted. The idea was to, you cut it (the window width you require) off 48 inches wide, fold it over the top over the plaster latt put a tape round at each end hanging down each side roll it up from the bottom, also stuck to a plaster latt, tie it up with the two tapes and there's your blackout blind. We must have sold thousands. I also got another four rolls of each and there was a mile on each!

And I met this friend of mine, one of Kitchen's family (later), he says "I know what you were going to do with those plaster latts" he says "You were a bit quicker than I was" he said "You sold them all didn't you" I said "Yes" he says "You paid us what?" I says "usually about 5 shillings for a hundred something like that", it was one penny each and he says "Aye, a penny each". It was just one of those ideas. They nailed the top latt to the window frame and then from the bottom roll it up and tie the two tapes."

When he was called up, Howard decided to join the RAF if he could:

"I wanted to join something that would be of use to me after the war, I know it sounds a bit ..., but I knew the RAF and what branches there were in it - I was wearing glasses then and I knew my eyesight was going to disqualify me from flying duties. I felt I wasn't mechanically minded enough to be in any engineering line. But the equipment branch was stock recording systems was just right for me."

While stationed at Blackpool in 1940 catastrophe struck - the shop in Knaresborough went up in flames:

"I was doing the square bashing at Blackpool and I got a telegram to say it had been burnt down so I showed it to the Corporal who was doing it and he said "I'll take you through to the Adjutant and see if you can go home for a day or two" I said "Quite honestly, there's a few things I shall have to sign. I shall have to meet the solicitors with my father, and the insurance people, and the bank and that" So he took me to the Adjutant."

Howard was able to get home to help his father and then returned to learn his duties in the Equipment Branch of the RAF from where he was posted overseas to Egypt:

"I had to learn all about how to keep stock and I could use that in my own business, after the war. And so I went into this equipment branch and I was in the equipment branch right up to the rank of Corporal. The RAF in '42 suddenly decided - we recorded on cards with a description, etc. properly recorded - [and they decided] that the people who should dish out the goods shouldn't have to do with recording as well, so they split the duties in half, one section dealt physically with all the stock coming in and going out, while the others did all the paperwork. And headquarters in Cairo wanted it [out there] setting up as a new job with all the paperwork about how to set it up, etc. And the Wing Commander turned up [at the camp] just outside Heliopolis, down the Suez road, outside Cairo. And [he] came down to our unit and said "Look, I've been thinking, we've got to set this up so it can be used as a training centre if it's done properly, outside Cairo, that we can bring people in for, all over the Middle East to see how it was done, "We've only you Corporal" - he'd got my name from somewhere, and he said "Do you think you could do it? Are you prepared to do it?" So I set up the first equipment recording section out in the Middle East, and he said "That's all the background there, if you can sort that ---- lot out!!!" So I had all that to study up and sort out. And after I'd finished he said "Why don't you put in for a commission?" I said "Look I'm not bothered" - I actually put in for it before the war, when war first started, and I went before a Board in London, and they said "Well, we'll let you know". Well that was in September '39, now by November I was called up in the ranks, before they'd made a decision, and a few months after I went and did my equipment course at Cranwell, after I'd done my square bashing at Blackpool. And then I went to Coastal Command, down at Tenbury, I was there for a bit, and then I was posted overseas, actually got overseas in August, September 1940. By that time, I was quite happy where I was, I wasn't bothered about a commission.

I was posted down to a Group Headquarters, and doing, as an officer, in a much bigger way, the job I'd been doing as a Corporal. So, even before I went before the Commission Board, they must have decided already. And it was funny because when I went before the Board, usually on those things you're interviewed by an officer first, before you go before the Board, just to check on all the details, and that. And it was the same Wing Commander who'd given me the job of setting-up. He just said "Sit down Mr Bell, sit down Corporal, and we'll have a cigarette" So I knew then I'd more or less got it."

Howard's duties included ensuring that the troops were well-equipped:

"Yes, if it hadn't have been for being away from home and family I could have really enjoyed it because I was there when Monty went up on the west push to turn Rommel out of Egypt and at that time my job was backing up units with spares that were dropped off cargo boats. As the army moved up, and the engineers cleared a fishing port or anywhere with a jetty, then the cargo boats were waiting to go in and drop spares. And it was my job to see that those spares were despatched and dropped off at the right place. So I'd more or less been doing work that eventually led to the invasion of Sicily. After we'd cleared North Africa, we started preparing for the invasion of Sicily, roughly 3 months before D Day in Europe. And I was one of the team doing the logistics, as they called it, working out what squadrons wanted spares, and where, etc. etc. And when the invasion of Sicily took place, most of our work was put on microfilm, flown back to England, for the D-Day people here to work on, to see what we'd done, where we'd made mistakes, where we'd succeeded, etc. etc. The invasion of Sicily was really a dummy run for the invasion of Europe."

Mistakes were made which everyone learned from:

"The Americans tried landing in Algiers, and made such a hell of a mess of it they had to withdraw. Now there were some British personnel with that and they had to learn by the mistakes they made because they offloaded all the stuff on the beaches, started moving into North Africa, adjoining to us, from the west, and none of the cases, packing cases, etc., etc., they'd offloaded onto the beaches, had any proper identification mark. So they didn't know whether an engine was an aero-engine or a tank engine or a lorry engine or what it was.

But we'd already worked our own system of identification out, which was a blue diagonal line across every side of a case and the name of the unit and where it had to go to, a code name, and I was lumbered with suggestions for codes. So, Air Commodore asked me one day, he said "Where do you get the names from for all these codes?" I said "Well, you're asking an awkward question, sir." But I told him, I said "The people who have to stencil the code letters onto packing cases, they don't want whacking long words, half a mile long, they want a maximum of five letters. And they don't want apples, pears - names of fruit, because that's what one of them had done at one time and the lads all thought "Oh good, it's a case of fruit" Another lot, sent to Malta, was the names of drinks, and they sent a signal through "expect so many cases so-and-so and so-and-so" and the laddie who took that radio message, it would be in code of course, and when it was deciphered they went round "Ooh, there's some drinks for us". And he (the Air Commodore) said to me "Where do you get the code words from?" I said "I buy an Egyptian Mail", that was a newspaper, two pages of which were printed in English - there was a fairly big English colony out there. I said "I look at the names of race horses, Egyptian race horses, and as soon as I see one with five letters or less, it goes in the code book to be used.

[The code was] for the destination, and a list of items would be sent by signal, and the equipment officer on the squadron, or any unit, would get a message, "Pick up so many cases so-and-so at so-and-so so-and-so" and then he would get a list sent by telegram, motor cycle, something like that, of what items it would be."

Howard was not always operating from behind the lines:

"I was with the Wireless Intelligence Wing, it's a very early version to what's happening now. We had American helcrafter radio receivers, which were far better than anything the British had at that time, and we had units working right around North Africa right up to Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, into Turkey, a semi-circle like that, listening to every German message they could pick up. Now [with] one laddie working on a set, at the base, at Heliopolis, just outside Cairo we had eventually, when it built up, over 400 receivers each on a separate wavelength, and that was on for 24 hours a day. A thousand messages might come through and only one be of any importance; they were all in code and we had decoders - it was Army, Navy and Air Force, but under RAF Command. And one of them in the army, he was a Lance Corporal, he was commissioned the same day as I was, he was a Professor of Maths at Cambridge University. They reckoned he could crack a German code in 10 minutes - this was long before any Enigma.

The lads who worked at the western end of Africa, Algiers, now I used to take spares up for them, in a small convoy, two or three lorries, and I visited most of those units all the way up from North Africa to Turkey. but there's a hell of a lot of desert you can get lost in. It's a good 20 or 30 miles of desert from the coast road."

And Howard saw his fair share of action and amusing incidents:

"When I first went overseas this unit I went on took over a building that was being built as a museum just outside Heliopolis about 8 miles out of Cairo and the building was only half finished and the unit was there and hadn't even a tented camp. We worked in parts of the building and in the hot weather we all slept outside - we made our own beds, what the Indian army call "charpoys" four legs and a ground sheet strapped across it. Well, all of us used to put our tin hats under the bed - like a lot of how-d'you-dos under the beds - and it was so hot we used to lay in our beds with just a towel round our waist. One night they were raiding Heliopolis and we sort of half sat up on our beds watching what was happening, the ack-ack going up and flack from the guns and then somebody says "That's a bit near us isn't it?" and then we realised it was, so we all dived for shelter. Now we had some slit trenches round the compound and so we all dived [out], put our tin hats on but lost our towels - I wish I'd had a camera to see about 50 lads just going over! Well I dived down into one trench and I took all the skin off my chest - I was sore for days. It was funny! Anyway, it dropped two munitions into our compound but neither of them went off - if they'd gone off it would have been "goodbye"!"

... and more coincidental meetings:

"... how coincidental it is to meet somebody you know miles away from where either of you should be. I was holding a clothing parade for a small unit, the radio tenders that were out of the wind, they'd dug a hole in the ground and put a camouflage net over the top that one of them lent us, to hold this clothing parade; you give lads new shirts, new socks, things like that, they came in one end and out of the other. There was a trestle table, about as long as that wall (about 15 feet) with all things laid out, towels, shirts, shorts, and shoes, particularly, and all of a sudden there was a voice said "Look there, there's a plane up there" and another voice said "Oh, it's one of ours, it doesn't matter". Anyway, it wasn't! I dived under one side of this trestle table, and another one dived in the other side, and he looked at me and he said "Hey, what the hell are you doing here!" Knaresborough boy! Yes, went to the same school as me."

HOME AGAIN

Tragedy struck Howard's family in 1943:

"My boy and youngest girl contracted scarlet fever. There was an outbreak in 1943 of scarlet fever in the town, and my son died the same day, and my daughter was taken into hospital. When I came home my boy had been cremated, my youngest daughter was in hospital and my wife was in an awful state. I'd been overseas for over three years, and you immediately got disembarkation leave, a day for every month you'd been abroad, so I think I'd something like 39 days leave. So it was during that period I thought, "I don't ask for anything from the RAF, I'll ask them see what they can do". By that time I was de-commissioned - I was commissioned during the war. Yes, I got a mention in despatches for distinguished service. In the Birthday Honours list in 1944, after preparation for the invasion of Sicily. Anyway, I thought "I'll write to them" so I wrote to, I knew where to write to, I knew someone in Personnel, in that department, and put my case to have a near posting, and they posted me to Marston Moor, which is just up the road. It's only two miles from here. So I got permission to live out. My father had died and my wife was running the business, so I had to work there (Marston Moor) during the day from half past eight in the morning, till five o' clock, then doing what I could for the business.

As a matter of fact I closed Marston Moor down. We got down to what they call "Care and Maintenance Party" January '46 when I was demobbed, February rather, and this was the end of 1945. We got right down to about say a couple of officers and about 50 personnel. And [then] the entire Transport Command closed one of their big stations down and took over Marston Moor and opened it up again."

During the war Howard's wife looked after the business, but rebuilding the burnt-out shop was a problem:

"... after the war, it was almost "start again". I couldn't get a license to rebuild right up to 1956. It stayed derelict all the time - I had a wall built round it, a wall about so high built round it and I thought "I shall have to do what business I can from the other shop"; in the High Street, that was the men's outfitters, Cromwell House. Anyway, I managed to buy the property next door, which is now an estate agent, and that gave me more room for children's wear and I bought one in the Market Place, which is now the Heart Foundation next to the Royal Oak Hotel top end of the Market Place. I managed to buy that property - I wanted it because we had quite a good household trade - sheets, blankets, things like that, gown material and dress material and so I opened that, put a manager with staff [in]. Then it got into the sixties and I was advised by two people who sell businesses, agents for business, and they both said "Look, you're making it very difficult for yourself, you're putting a noose round your neck because Knaresborough's only ..." - at that time it was about 15000 population, it's bigger now - he said "the firms that can finance the business that you are doing want a town with a bigger population and you're too near Harrogate - they're providing that" and I was doing a fair bit of school outfitter trade outside the shop that was entirely apart from the shop and staff were getting difficult to get and my father had died at the age of 64 and so I thought "I'm going to have a bit of a time" so I packed it in."

CHAMBER OF TRADE

Howard and his family had been living in Hambledon Grove but in 1949 they moved to Crag Top. Before the war Howard had helped to found the Knaresborough Trade Association, which became the Knaresborough Chamber of Trade:

"I was President in 1934, 1948 and 1952. I was Area Chairman for the North-Eastern area two years [and] I was appointed to the Board of Management for the National Chamber of Trade in 1950."

And selling the shops in 1962 saw an increase in his Chamber of Trade commitments.

"I sold the stock and sold the property because good will doesn't mean anything nowadays - it did when I was a boy - and I got what I wanted for the stock and I got what I wanted for the property at that time and at that time I was being invited to become President of the National Chamber of Trade. I had to say no to start with, of course"

The National President was elected by a small sub-committee of the present President, plus the Chairman of the Board plus the Secretary. They look at a list of Members of the Board and pick out three possible candidates and then the Chairman of the Board interviews one to see if they want it.

"Now I'd had to refuse twice - it's a two years appointment and it works this way: you're President Elect for two years, you're President for two years and then they make you Past President for two years. So it's six years and I just hadn't the time to do it and of course it costs money as well. Anyway, when it got to '63 they said "Now, you're next one on the list, and there's no running away and getting out of it!" [so] I said "Alright, fair enough, I'll tackle it".

So for six years Howard was spending a lot of time on Chamber work - giving his time for the good of his community as he has always done.

NOTES

Toc H is an organisation founded in 1915 during the First World War and which continues today with the underlying aim of bringing a wide spectrum of people together, linked by a common task of service to the community. Toc H website

October 2003 Sadly Howard Bell died on October 6th 2003. His well-attended funeral service was held at Gracious Street Methodist Church on 14th October 2003.